Despite all the appeal, Hollywood is a notoriously tough place in which to “make it,” whether you are a writer, director, actor, producer, or—yes—psychologist.
“Some people would be surprised at how demanding making a television series is for the actors and the crew. Each scene is filmed over and over from every angle. The days are long and often exhausting,” said Barbara Van Dahlen, PhD, a clinical psychologist who, among many other projects in the entertainment industry, consulted on ABC’s drama A Million Little Things, which follows a group of friends in Boston learning to live again after the loss of their friend to suicide. “And yet, despite the complexity, the demands, and the stress, stories are created that move us, inspire us, astound us. It’s a privilege to be asked to contribute to the process.”
“If you’re hoping that this is going to give you validation or status or fame or some big bucks, it’s not,” added Ali Mattu, PhD,opens in new window a clinical psychologist in San Francisco who has been featured in shows on HBO, Netflix, PBS, and other channels for his expertise on anxiety and other mental health topics. “It can, but so can a lot of more reliable paths, like having a thriving practice.”
Mattu said he has worked on many projects that never made it to production, be it due to a tanking budget, studio leadership changes, or simply a script that did not get picked up. “I’ve learned a very important lesson: Until every contract is signed, until you’re actually filming, until it actually airs, I never believe that this project is going to happen,” Mattu said. “I just don’t get my hopes up.”
Even when a show gets made, psychologists do not always get paid well and sometimes not at all. On-camera work as an expert or commentator, even for a high-profile production like Today on NBC, for example, is largely unpaid, Breland-Noble said. “Psychologists have to be willing to make some sacrifices if we want to be engaged in this work,” she said.
For Letamendi, a key sacrifice is time. As a campus health and counseling leader at University of California, Los Angeles, she already works 40 to 60 hours a week in that full-time role. Her media consulting work, then, is typically relegated to nights, weekends, and sometimes holidays.
But she considers the work self-care. “I went into entertainment media because, since I was a kid, that’s what brought me joy, that’s what helped me feel included, that’s what helped me feel that I belonged,” she said.
If you decide the work is for you, here is what psychologists recommend:
Have an established niche or expertise. Producers found Hsu because she is an expert in teen mental health and had talked to the media on the topic. They tapped Hirsh-Pasek because she is an acclaimed and widely published developmental psychologist. And Van Dahlen, who founded the nonprofit Give an Hour, is a renowned expert in service members’ mental health and suicide prevention.
“Get really good at something and have that depth of experience that makes you valuable to other people,” Mattu said. “That depth of experience can come from research. It can come from applied experiences of working with organizations and corporations. It can come from years of service, either as a health care professional or in all the different areas in which psychologists can serve and help others.”
Ditch the psychological jargon and learn how creatives work. “We’re trained really well to communicate with our colleagues in a way that does justice to the complexity of human behavior,” Mattu said. “But everything that makes us good at communicating psychology to other psychologists can make us very bad at communicating psychology to the public.”
That is precisely why the Mental Health Storytelling Initiative came about. The initiative connects creatives with psychological professionals and provides trainings and workshops, like the November 2023 event hosted at APA, to help both parties speak the same language and operate on the same timeline.
“We get studio executives who say, ‘We’d love to hire more psychologists to advise on stories, but we don’t know who to reach out to,’ or, ‘If we do reach out, they don’t understand how quickly we need notes, or they send long abstracts of information,’” Kolaya said. “We built the training to help decrease that friction.”
Be visible and reachable. Letamendi recommends getting your name and contact information in various databases, like APA’s Media Referral Service, as well as on your own website and social media channels.
“Do not be afraid to think of your work as a potential for being marketed, being advertised, being networked outside of the traditional psychological discipline,” she said. “That means being a bit more curious, open, and flexible about the way you develop your own repertoire as a psychologist. And it’s true: It’s a little extra hustle.”
That extra work can pay off in a bidirectional way: Not only can creatives find you, but your creative work can bring you clients and patients, depending on what type of psychologist you are.
“Ask yourself: What do you have to offer them?” said Mattu, whose YouTube channel has 277,000 subscribers. “Do you have courses they can buy? A consulting operation? Clinical services? Develop products and services that can scale with your media work.”
Network. Vanessa Cox, PhD, went to graduate school to become a therapist but came out with an interest in entertainment. She had studied how the Black community is portrayed and affected by the media and wanted her results to do more than sit in an academic journal.
So, she reached out to a friend at the Geena Davis Institute on Gender in Mediaopens in new window, who connected Cox with the folks who later offered her a job. The gig—and accompanying move from Michigan to Los Angeles—led to a role working in diversity, equity, and inclusion at Paramount and eventually Cox’s own entertainment consulting company, Uncommon Eye, which launched in 2022. She has worked to increase nuanced, multidimensional representations of Black women on screen.
“I would not have gotten into this had it not been for my colleague,” said Cox, who is also an adjunct associate professor in communications at Long Island University.
Be willing to work your way up. Van Dahlen recommends finding a mentor or getting involved in a community project that works with media so you can “hit the ground running” if and when you work in entertainment. “The creative team is not likely going to be interested in someone getting up to speed and practicing on them,” she said.
Indeed, Breland-Noble said, while everyone’s path “up” looks different—and often crooked—she does not know any mental health professionals who have started at the top. “You start at the bottom, build your reputation, and work your way up.”
Maintain your integrity… About 20 years ago, Hirsh-Pasek created a female superhero that Warner Bros. wanted to acquire. But when she flew to Los Angeles for the meeting, the creators said they intended to make the character male because that is what they believed would sell. Hirsh-Pasek pushed back, saying, “females deserve superheroes, too.”
“The project manager looked at me and said, ‘Are you not hearing me? Warner Bros. is going to take your character, but it has to be a man,’” Hirsh-Pasek recalls. “I said, ‘I thank you for inviting me out to LA, but I’m not changing my mind on this.’”
“I’m probably a lot poorer,” she continued, “but my point is: We’ll all come up against those kinds of things, and I don’t think it’s ever worth compromising integrity.”
…but know when to compromise. Cox organizes her feedback into three levels of importance: major, secondary, and minor. If creatives do not incorporate all her advice from the latter two categories, that is OK. “You want to keep this person as a client, and that’s something that you always need to think about,” she said.
In other words: Do not let the risk of not being entirely heard prevent you from speaking up at all, Hirsh-Pasek said.
“I find this to be the most exciting, riveting area of psychology right now: figuring out how we take what we know—I call it edible science—and make it accessible, digestible, and usable for a broader population,” she said. “Producers are always going to write adolescent films, they’re always going to write about relationships, they’re always going to write about anxiety and depression. And if they can get it half right instead of totally wrong, then we have done a really good job.”